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Episodes
Thursday May 28, 2026
Thursday May 28, 2026
Featuring: Mark Homer, Grandin Holdings
In episode 151, I sit down with Mark Homer, founder of Grandin Holdings and a serial technology and marketing entrepreneur who's scaled and exited multiple agencies over more than 30 years at the intersection of marketing and tech.
Mark and I demystify the world of M&A for agency owners — the headspace blockages, the myths about needing piles of cash, and the surprisingly creative ways deals actually get structured. We talk through his own exit in the legal marketing space, why your network is your richest source of deal flow, and how building real systems (including handing off sales) is what makes a business both sellable and worth keeping.
If you've ever assumed M&A is too expensive, too complex, or only for the people making headlines, this conversation will change how you think. Mark shows that most deals are quiet, creative, and life-changing in ways that have nothing to do with a Forbes cover.
Key Bytes
• Buying out a partner is an M&A transaction — most owners have already done a deal without realizing it.
• Your network is a bigger source of deal flow than any sourcing system; just tell people what you're looking for.
• A lot of owners want to sell for reasons that have nothing to do with how your business is running.
• Building systems and handing off sales is what makes a business both sellable and worth keeping.
• Optionality means a profitable, well-run business you can sell — or happily hold onto.
• Removing discount factors like client concentration and founder-led sales is how you capture maximum value.
• Most deals are creative structures with little cash down, not the headline-grabbing windfalls everyone trumpets.
• Time at your desk never equaled success — and now that everyone's virtual, the numbers are all that matter.
Chapters
00:00 Welcome and Mark's M&A journey
01:34 Why buying out a partner is already an M&A deal
03:48 Inside Mark's legal marketing agency exit
05:30 Two LOIs and how the deals took shape
07:00 Your network is your real source of deal flow
10:45 Why owners sell for reasons that surprise you
11:25 Handing off sales by building a real process
15:38 Optionality: building a business you can sell or keep
19:51 Demystifying the mindset walls around M&A
22:19 Creative deal structures and the acqui-hire
27:10 Rapid-fire questions and closing thoughts
Mark Homer is a Serial Technologist and Marketing Entrepreneur. He scaled and exited two agencies.
On top of my agency experience, I have been at the intersection of marketing and technology for over 30 years. I was fortunate enough to be a consultant at IBM in 1995 when this little thing called the “World Wide Web” was starting out. This put me on projects building not just basic websites, but full online applications connecting to back-end systems for some of the largest brands. From there, my career included running R&D for a VC-backed company in San Francisco, Product Marketing Manager for a software company(with an exit), to helping start a company that upended the event-based marketing industry by introducing technology that helped drive people from live events to online properties that has now become an industry standard. I also wrote a couple of books along the way. The last agency I sold was in the Legal Marketing industry.