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Friday Jan 10, 2025
Friday Jan 10, 2025
Featuring: Jonathan Stark, Ditcherville
In Episode 093 of Agency Bytes, I sat down with Jonathan Stark — a former software developer turned pricing consultant — to dig into a topic that trips up so many agencies: hourly billing vs. value-based pricing.
Jonathan shared how he made the shift from trading time for money to focusing on the value his work delivers. What started as a few talks with agencies grew into a full-blown movement — writing books, delivering content, and building a thriving community of creative professionals ditching the hourly model.
We talked about why hourly billing holds agencies back, the importance of deeply understanding client needs, and how to craft pricing options that reflect the true value you provide. Jonathan’s insights on uncovering client motivations and taking a more strategic approach to pricing will help you build stronger client relationships and increase profitability.
If you’re tired of being stuck in the “billable hour” mindset, this episode is packed with actionable advice you won’t want to miss.
Key Bytes
• Hourly billing limits income potential.
• Understanding client outcomes is crucial for pricing.
• Scope should be defined after understanding client needs.
• Value-based pricing can lead to higher profits.
• Creating multiple pricing options can attract clients.
• Time tracking is unnecessary in a value-based model.
• Client motivations should drive the sales conversation.
• Different levels of engagement affect pricing strategies.
• Value pricing enhances client relationships.
• Being unique in your offering is essential for success.Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Ditching Hourly Billing
06:01 Understanding Client Needs and Outcomes
11:45 Creating Pricing Options for Clients
17:47 Uncovering Client Motivations
23:54 The Home Run of Value Pricing
Jonathan Stark is a former software developer who is on a mission to rid the world of hourly billing. He is the author of Hourly Billing Is Nuts, the host of Ditching Hourly, and writes a daily newsletter on pricing for independent professionals.
Connect with Jonathan and learn about ditching hourly on his website.
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