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Ep 117 – Wanda Allen, Follow Up Sales – Overcoming the Fear of Follow-Up

Featuring: Wanda Allen, Follow Up Sales

In episode 117, I sit down with Wanda Allen, international speaker, coach, and author of Follow Up Sales Strategies. With 25 years in the corporate world and a background in business banking, Wanda developed a systemized approach to sales follow-up that now helps business owners and sales professionals increase their close rates.

We dive into the psychology behind why so many people avoid follow-up, the fears that hold them back (hint: it’s not really about time), and how a simple shift in mindset and process can transform your sales pipeline. Wanda shares data-backed insights, actionable tips for improving follow-up cadence, and even debunks myths about being “pushy.” Whether you’re in active outreach or avoiding the phone like the plague, this episode will motivate you to reframe your follow-up game—and pick up the phone with purpose.

We also talk about her book-writing journey, the importance of believing in the value you bring, and a bucket-list dream that has her heading south of the border.

Key Bytes

• 98% of sales don’t happen on the first contact—follow-up is essential.
• Fear of being “pushy” and fear of rejection are the top two mindset blocks around follow-up.
• 80% of sales happen between the 5th and 12th contact—most people quit after 2.
• Follow-up is a form of service, not pressure—it shows interest and professionalism.
• The phone is the most efficient tool in sales, yet it’s the most underused.
• You can’t build trust without consistent, committed follow-up.
• Stop assuming silence means disinterest—prospects are often just busy.
• Confidence in your pricing comes from believing in your value.

Chapters

00:01 – Introducing Wanda Allen and the importance of follow-up
01:04 – From corporate banking to follow-up systems expert
03:35 – Writing two books and why her first was retired
06:07 – The real reason people don’t follow up: mindset and fear
07:59 – How to prioritize follow-up and overcome procrastination
11:00 – Why consistent follow-up beats your competition
14:12 – Action over anxiety: staying out of your head during follow-up
16:18 – The forgotten power of the phone in today’s sales world

 

Wanda Allen is an international speaker, coach, and corporate trainer. She's also the author of Follow Up Savvy and Follow Up Sales Strategies. Wanda had a 25 year corporate career where she held the position of Senior Vice President for 15 years. She has a strong skill set for developing systems and applied this skill to the follow up process. She's an expert in helping entrepreneurs, business owners, and sales professionals increase pipelines, improve sales performance, and strengthen relationships by developing strong follow up skills.

Contact Wanda on their website, LinkedIn, or Facebook.

Ep 116 – Clara Stedman and Ben Engvall, Palmer Advisors – The Dynamics of Agency M&A

Featuring: Clara Stedman and Ben Engvall, Palmer Advisors

In episode 116, I sit down with Clara Stedman and Ben Engvall, founding partners of Palmer Advisors, a boutique M&A firm focused on marketing, media, and tech agencies in the lower to middle market. Clara and Ben break down what agency owners need to understand about selling their business, navigating deal structures, and preparing for acquisition—even if an exit isn’t on the immediate horizon.

We talk about why Palmer was founded, the major shifts in deal terms over the last few years, and why so many agency founders are choosing to stay on post-acquisition. They also share candid insights into common red flags that signal an agency isn’t ready to sell—and what to do about it. We dive into how niching (especially by industry) impacts valuation, what kinds of agencies are in high demand, and how AI and proprietary tools may influence future multiples.

Whether you’re dreaming of an exit, fielding buyer interest, or just want to understand how your agency is valued, this episode pulls back the curtain on the M&A process and what today’s buyers really want.

Key Bytes

• Palmer Advisors focuses on M&A for service-based businesses.
• The agency market is evolving with new deal structures.
• Cultural fit is crucial in agency acquisitions.
• Founders should not exit at their peak performance.
• Timing is key when going to market for an exit.
• Having a strong leadership team is essential for agency sales.
• Niche agencies are more attractive to buyers.
• Understanding EBITDA is vital for agency owners.
• Deal structures can be creative and flexible.
• The future of M&A looks promising with technology advancements.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Agency Bites
01:47 The Formation of Palmer Advisors
03:35 Reflections on the First Year
05:32 Understanding Agency M&A Dynamics
09:23 Identifying Readiness for Exit
13:28 The Importance of Owner Involvement
16:02 The Value of Niching in M&A
19:09 Demystifying M&A Terminology
23:19 Future Trends in M&A
25:11 The Role of IP and Technology in Valuation
28:34 Rapid Fire Questions and Closing Thoughts

Clara Stedman and Ben Engvall are the founding partners of Palmer Advisors, a boutique M&A advisory firm built specifically for founders of service-based businesses. With a focus on marketing, media, and tech agencies in the lower to middle market (typically $1–10M in EBITDA), Clara and Ben bring a modern, founder-first approach to buying, selling, and valuing businesses. They’ve quickly built a reputation for their strategic deal-making, brutally honest readiness assessments, and commitment to crafting win-win outcomes that align both financial and cultural goals. Clara leads as CEO, bringing a background in corporate retail and fitness, while Ben heads up M&A with a traditional finance foundation. Together, they’re reshaping what agency exits can—and should—look like.

Contact Ben and Clara on LinkedIn or on the Palmer Advisors website.

Ep 115 – Jason Hennessey, Hennessey Digital – Owning a Niche and Scaling It to 8 Figures

Featuring: Courtney Jason Hennessey, Hennessey Digital

In episode 115, I sit down with Jason Hennessey, internationally recognized SEO expert and CEO of Hennessey Digital. Jason shares the story of how a single talk at a legal mastermind sparked his first agency, and how he’s since scaled a powerhouse SEO firm serving top-tier law firms. We talk about niching down, the power of building a personal brand, and why delegation was key to scaling without burning out. Jason opens up about leadership, team culture, and how stepping back actually helped his agency grow faster. Plus, we dive into strategies like direct mail, personal outreach, and even outsourcing genius to level up results.

Key Bytes

• Jason Hennessy has been in SEO since 2001 and started his first agency in 2008.
• He transitioned from his first agency to Hennessy Digital in 2015, focusing on law firms.
• Innovative marketing strategies, like sending personalized books, helped him secure clients.
• Hennessy Digital primarily serves personal injury lawyers but sees potential in other legal niches.
• Building a personal brand has significantly increased response rates to his outreach.
• Delegation and outsourcing are key to scaling an agency effectively.
• Jason emphasizes the importance of investing in leadership and team development.
• He still engages with SEO on a personal level, leveraging external expertise.
• Agency culture is a priority, fostering support and recognition among team members.
• Asking for help and seeking coaching is crucial for agency owners.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Agency Bites and Guest Background
01:04 Jason Hennessy's Journey in SEO and Agency Growth
03:55 Transitioning from First Agency to Hennessy Digital
07:00 Innovative Marketing Strategies for Law Firms
10:06 Market Potential and Niche Focus in Legal SEO
11:58 Building a Personal Brand and Leadership Structure
16:01 Scaling the Agency and Delegating Responsibilities
20:03 Passion for SEO and Outsourcing Expertise
23:05 Expanding Services Beyond SEO
24:54 Agency Culture and Team Dynamics
27:04 Personal Insights and Advice for Agency Owners

Jason Hennessey is an entrepreneur, internationally recognized SEO expert, author, speaker, podcast host, and business coach. Since 2001, Jason has been reverse-engineering the Google algorithm as a self-taught student and practitioner of SEO and search marketing.

Jason's expertise has fueled the growth and successful sale of multiple businesses, starting with a pioneering dot-com venture in the wedding industry. Serving as the CEO of Hennessey Digital since 2015, Jason's leadership has transformed a modest consultancy into a thriving eight-figure agency, earning a place on the prestigious Inc. 5000 list for five consecutive years. He is also the author of two Amazon bestsellers, titled Law Firm SEO and Honest SEO.

As a sought-after keynote speaker and a frequent guest on podcasts and webinars, Jason shares his wealth of knowledge. He contributes as a columnist to respected publications such as the Washington Post and is a regular contributor to Entrepreneur, Forbes, Inc., Newsweek, and Rolling Stone Magazine. Jason's accomplishments extend to being honored with the Gold TITAN Business Award in the Entrepreneurship, Branding, Advertising, & Marketing category, as well as being recognized as a National Law Review Go-To Thought Leader.

Jason's journey has been enriched by his experience as a United States Air Force veteran and his attainment of a Bachelor of Arts degree in Marketing from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. Commencing his SEO career in Las Vegas and later establishing a strong presence in the legal industry in Atlanta, Jason now resides in the Los Angeles area with his wife, Bridget, and their three children.

Contact Jason on his personal website, his agency website, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, YouTube, TikTok, IMDB, or Muckrack.

Ep 114 – Courtney De Ronde, Forge Financial – Unlocking Business Growth

Featuring: Courtney De Ronde, Forge Financial

In episode 114, I sit down with Courtney De Ronde, CEO of Forge Financial and Management Consulting, to talk about the powerful intersection of financial visibility and leadership growth. Courtney shares her journey from CPA to strategic business advisor, and we dig into her Simple Scale Up System—a framework designed to help agency leaders evolve from scrappy doers to scalable CEOs.

We explore the importance of accurate revenue recognition, the dangers of relying too heavily on gut instincts, and the mindset shifts needed to lead at the next level. Courtney also gets candid about AI’s impact on the accounting industry and why embracing technology is a must—not a maybe. We wrap things up with some rapid-fire questions that reveal the human side of this numbers expert.

Key Bytes

• Courtney De Ronde has over 20 years of experience as a CPA.
• Understanding financial visibility is crucial for business growth.
• AI presents both challenges and opportunities in the CPA industry.
• The Simple Scale Up System focuses on scaling leaders and organizations.
• Leaders must shift from relying on instincts to leveraging insights.
• Cash flow issues often indicate deeper business problems.
• Delegation and trust are essential for scaling a business.
• Learning from others' failures can accelerate growth.
• Financial reporting should match revenue with related expenses.
• Things don't have to be perfect to be effective.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Agency Bites and Guest Background
01:04 Courtney's Evolution from CPA to Business Leader
03:19 Understanding Financial Visibility and Coaching Services
04:12 Common Financial Red Flags in Service-Based Businesses
08:06 The Impact of AI on the CPA Industry
12:25 The Simple Scale Up System Framework
15:46 Shifting Mindsets: From Instincts to Insights
22:53 Challenges in Scaling Dependent Businesses
25:13 Rapid Fire Questions and Closing Thoughts

Courtney De Ronde is the CEO of Forge Financial & Management Consulting and the creator of the Simple ScaleUp System™. With over 20 years as a CPA and 15 years in business

leadership, Courtney specializes in guiding small businesses from startup to scaleup. She’s an expert in business intelligence, leadership, and corporate finance. We’re thrilled to have her share her insights on how you can achieve your most ambitious goals.

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Ep 113 – Dr. Jeremy Weisz, Rise25 – The Gift of Podcasting

Featuring: Dr. Jeremy Weisz, Rise25

In episode 113, I sit down with Dr. Jeremy Weisz, co-founder of Rise 25 and host of the Inspired Insider podcast. Jeremy and I talk about how podcasting—when used the right way—can become one of the most effective tools for building real relationships, not just content. He breaks down the Dream 200 strategy for identifying ideal clients, why giving value always beats chasing sales, and how his agency uses both podcasting and strategic gifting to keep top-of-mind with partners and clients. We also dive into how he accidentally became an agency owner, the underrated power of thoughtful gifts, and his take on creating a high-impact referral ecosystem. And yes, we end with some rapid-fire questions—including the surprising mascot he’d pick for his agency.

Key Bytes

• Podcasting is a powerful tool for networking and professional development.
• Building relationships through podcasting can lead to business opportunities.
• The Dream 200 strategy helps identify and target ideal clients.
• Giving away valuable information attracts the right clients.
• Gifting strategies can enhance client engagement and retention.
• Podcasting can serve multiple purposes: authority building, SEO, and content creation.
• Networking through podcasts can create referral partnerships.
• Understanding your niche is crucial for effective marketing.
• Regular touchpoints with clients through gifts can strengthen relationships.
• Consider the source of business advice before acting on it.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Podcasting and Rise 25
02:52 The Evolution of Podcasting and Its Benefits
05:47 Building Relationships Through Podcasting
09:10 The Dream 200 Strategy for Targeting Clients
11:53 Gifting Strategies for Client Engagement
14:54 Rapid Fire Questions and Closing Thoughts

Dr. Jeremy Weisz has been featuring top entrepreneurs with video interviews since 2008 that include founders/CEOs of Pixar, P90X, Atari, Einstein Bagels, Mattel, Kettle Chips, RX Bars, Big League Chew, the Orlando Magic, and many more on www.InspiredInsider.com

He runs Rise25, which helps B2B businesses connect to their ‘Dream 200’ clients and referral partners and get ROI, using a podcast. They eliminate 99% of the work and make sure you get ROI. Rise25 is an easy button for you to launch and run your podcast.

Podcasting has been one of the best things I've done both personally and professionally. It's been an amazing tool for connecting with referral partners, strategic partners, clients, and more.

Podcasting is like a "Swiss Army knife" because it is business development, referral marketing, strategic partnerships, lead generation, SEO, content creation, and personal and professional development, all in one.

Contact Dr. Weisz on their website, listen to Inspired Insider, or connect on LinkedIn.

Ep 112 – Jay Owen, Business Builders – Slow Growth, Strong Culture

Featuring: Jay Owen, Business Builders

In episode 112 of Agency Bytes, I sit down with Jay Owen, founder of the multimillion-dollar agency Business Builders and the community Agency Builders. Jay started his web design business at just 17 and has spent the last 26 years growing it—intentionally and steadily—into a values-driven company focused on people over ego and sustainable growth over fast wins.

We dive into the long game of agency leadership, building a business that can thrive without you, and the fulfillment that comes from creating jobs that others love. Jay shares how his faith and values guide the way he leads, the role community has played in his journey, and why slow growth might just be the secret weapon nobody talks about. Whether you’re scaling your team, wrestling with niching, or thinking about legacy, this episode is full of wisdom for the road ahead.

Key Bytes

• Jay Owen started his entrepreneurial journey at a young age.
• Slow growth can lead to more sustainable success.
• Creating job opportunities for others is a key motivation.
• Community is essential for agency leaders.
• Collaboration over competition fosters growth.
• Integrating personal values into business is important.
• Niche down or maintain variety based on personal preference.
• Productization can enhance agency efficiency and profitability.
• Having a support system prevents burnout.
• Building a strong team is crucial for agency longevity.

Chapters

00:00 The Entrepreneurial Spirit Begins
02:37 Navigating the Hills and Valleys of Business
05:35 Building a Team and Creating Opportunities
08:54 The Importance of Community Over Competition
12:50 Creating a Supportive Environment
16:56 Integrating Personal Values into Business
20:56 Niche vs. Variety in Agency Growth
23:32 Productization and Agency Wisdom

Jay Owen started a web design company at 17 years old that has grown to a multi-million dollar agency and still growing 26 years later. He’s the author of Building a Business that Lasts and Host of a Podcast by the same name. Jay founded Agency Builders, a community to help agency leaders grow and scale in a healthy way.

Contact Jay at the Agency Builders Retreat or his AI with Jay website.

Ep 111 – Corey Quinn – Deep Specialization

Featuring: Corey Quinn

In episode 111 of Agency Bytes, I sit down with Corey Quinn—agency growth expert, author of Anyone, Not Everyone, and the guy who helped scale Scorpion from $20M to $150M. We unpack what it really means to specialize as an agency and why empathy might just be your most overlooked growth lever.

Corey shares how moving from generalist to deep specialization can unlock operational efficiency, stronger positioning, and a hell of a lot more revenue. We also dig into outbound sales strategies (including the power of gifting!), how to expand into multiple verticals without becoming a generalist again, and what the future of agency specialization looks like in an AI-driven world.

If you’ve ever worried about niching down “too far,” this conversation will flip that fear on its head.

Key Bytes

• Corey Quinn emphasizes the importance of deep specialization for agency growth.
• Empathy is crucial for understanding clients' specific problems.
• Transitioning from inbound to outbound sales requires a strategic approach.
• The generalist trap can lead to operational inefficiencies and client loss.
• Building trust through industry engagement is key to agency success.
• Agencies should consider adjacent verticals for expansion.
• Creative teams may need variety to stay engaged in specialized markets.
• The tools used in marketing may change, but the outcomes remain constant.
• Agencies should focus on solving real-world business problems for clients.
• Founders can explore new verticals once they achieve a certain market share.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Agency Growth and Specialization
01:11 Corey's Journey in the Agency World
03:02 Scaling Scorpion: From 20M to 150M
07:15 The Shift to Outbound Sales Strategies
11:44 Deep Specialization: Breaking the Generalist Trap
12:10 Empathy in Agency Specialization
19:10 Building Trust Through Industry Engagement
21:10 Expanding into New Verticals
25:17 Addressing Fears of Niching Down
27:42 Future Trends in Agency Specialization

Corey Quinn has over 18 years in the agency space, including as Scorpion's CMO, where he helped grow revenue from $20M to $150M in 6 years. His bestselling book: "Anyone, Not Everyone: a Proven System for Agencies to Escape Founder-Led Sales" has been endorsed by Aaron Ross, John Ruhlin, Dr. Benjamin Hardy, Marcel Petitpas, and many others.

Today, his company helps digital agencies become the go-to choice within a vertical market with his Deep Specialization Methodology.

Contact Corey on his website or LinkedIn.

Ep 110 – James Barnard, Barnard Co – Going Viral: The TikTok Breakthrough

Featuring: James Barnard, Barnard Co

In episode 110 of Agency Bites, I sit down with the incredibly talented James Barnard, a logo designer and design educator based in Australia. We dive deep into his fascinating journey from the publishing world in the UK to building a thriving freelance design business powered by social media — especially TikTok! James shares how he crafted his pricing strategies, attracts qualified leads, and balances freelance life with family life. We also get into his design process, the value of design education today, and how he's expanded his income streams through courses and brand partnerships. Plus, we wrap things up with a few rapid-fire questions that give a glimpse into James's personal side. You won't want to miss this one!

Key Bytes

• James transitioned to graphic design at 25 after a career in publishing.
• Social media, especially TikTok, played a crucial role in his business growth.
• Viral content can significantly increase client leads and visibility.
• Pricing strategies are essential for attracting qualified leads.
• Balancing freelance work with personal life is a priority for James.
• A structured design process leads to higher quality work and client satisfaction.
• Diversifying income streams can alleviate pressure from client work.
• Education in design is evolving with social media as a learning tool.
• James emphasizes the importance of being hands-on in his work.
• Pitching for work is often a waste of time in the design industry.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to James Barnard
02:28 James's Journey into Graphic Design
05:30 The Impact of Social Media on Business
09:52 Going Viral: The TikTok Breakthrough
12:27 Pricing Strategies and Qualified Leads
14:49 Balancing Freelance Work and Personal Life
18:57 Design Process and Client Interaction
25:58 Diversifying Income Streams
30:11 The Value of Design Education
31:37 Rapid Fire Questions and Closing Thoughts

James Barnard is a logo designer and design educator specializing in creating logos and visual identities with meaning. With over 15 years of experience in the graphic design industry, he began his career in the UK’s publishing sector before transitioning into branding and education.

Passionate about sharing his expertise, James is dedicated to mentoring and inspiring the next generation of designers through his social platforms, where he provides valuable insights, tutorials, and industry knowledge.

Contact James on his website, on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, or LinkedIn.